Actually, Kate was the offender in this case.

Geoffrey:

Considering Kate had a CPS investigator at her home for some time, courtesy of some anonymous soul...

and has had her sanity questioned publically, in two of the most disgraceful breaches of healthcare ethics I have seen in some time...

and has been called a liar into the bargain...

I confess to some curiousity.

Just how does Kate qualify as an OFFENDER?

I guess it depends on which side you believe. I don't know either of them, but read both sides. Da Goddess has some pretty compelling points, particularly the posting times. It didn't add up.

Next look at the CPS issue, anyone that has any familiarity with that system knows how it works. For me, it just didn't add up.

None of us were there, so we all form our own opinions using the information we are given. Mine is that Kate either wrote that post herself, or had her daughter do it, then made up the whole CPS story.

And my opinion is that your opinion keeps turning up in the midst of every 'blog war,' Geoffrey. Coincidence...? I think not.

Well my opinion is kate is the victim here...i read both sides of this, and i have been in her shoes. Cps is an evil nasty orginazation that will crucify you on the unsupported word of a single person and then disregard volumes of evidence showing you to be a great parent...i was also the victime of several peoples blurring r/l and irc causing me pain money and resulting in my quitting it 5 years ago...i have been in your shoes kate, it is a terrible place to be, but you can get through it, and not lose you in doing so...be strong, be true to yourself, and take it a minute at a time if need be...it will end

Sorry Kate, but the only blog wars I'm in either A: Involve me, or B: take place on sites I visit. I initially stumbled across this on your site, and Da Goddess. I didn't comment there, because I don't normally visit either site. I commented here, because I'm a regular visitor.

I notice you turn up in the center of many blog wars. Coincidence? I think not.

Geoffrey, unless you have personal experience with CPS you do not KNOW anything. They are wrong more than right, rarely bother to interview people who would know the situation and fail to protect more children than they supposedly save...they are low level government employees, who are underpaid and overworked and make mistakes all the time...kate's daughter while acting foolishly, exhibits nothing more than normal teenage behaviour, and at least from the admittedly limited examples i see, shows no signs of an abused child...and i know cause i was one...kates behaviour is exactly what any parent who loves thier child would exhibit....the other parties behaviour however, appears appallingly childish, though this is also not unusual for too many adults...unless some one can present me with some proof to convince me otherwise my judgement, based on my experience is that kate, and her daughter are the victims here...i think it takes a real slimeball to act with so little concern for her daughter, as she will carry this baggage too....if for no other reason, any caring person should consider tempering their acts and words, kates daughter is the true victim here, especially if this is the malicious act of revenge it appears to be

I agree with everything you said, Angst. The difference is you assume she's telling the truth. Here's what I know:

I know that Kate's daughters post on DGs page was made 4 minutes after her own post on her own page. That's quick sleep time.

I agree CPS is cruel, and unfair. In a way it's necessary, though. With what little information, it's better to err on the side of the child. They didn't do that last week here, and a child was beaten to death. However cruel and unfair they are, they also don't show up on your doorstep on a saturday, conduct an investigation, then give you the results of their investigation right then and there. It doesn't happen. Unless Hawaii is different than any other CPS I have intimate knowledge of. If they do business that way, then they are doing the child an injustice.

With that information, I reached my conclusion.

Even if I chose to believe your argument, it wouldn't change anything. I have no room for bratty, ill raised children. I wasn't like that, my siblings aren't like that, and my nieces and nephews aren't like that. We knew right from wrong, and while we raised hell from time to time, you wouldn't catch us speaking to an adult like that. Our parents instilled a greater sense of respect in us.

do you know that those posts were made 4 minutes apart, or are you going by mt's timestamp....because it is childs play to alter the displayed timestamp in mt, and it is a reflection of which zone is set in the config....and anyu knowledgable person can modify the stamp in the database, or on the server for that matter.....it is why only a few select log files are considered admisable evidence....i'm not overly fond of il mannered people period, but speaking purely as a parent, a line was crossed that ill mnners on either kate or her daughter's part provide no excuse...you don't fuck with someone's child...especially not if you are an adult...that is part of what being adult is, knowing better than to get in fights with 12 year olds....and i was well raised, but i could be a real little terror when i wanted to at 12...i guess it is that i am not seeing convincing proof against kate, but see indisputable proof of an adult acting like a 12 year old when they should have acted like an adult.

Geoffrey, re-read the comment at Joanies site. Notice how it in no way references the post? Consider the possibility that it had been written in advance in Word. Cut and paste, 15 seconds tops.

Angst, yes, supposedly the times were tested. I couldn't be bothered to do it myself. TBH, the issue doesn't interest me enough to.

Kevin, yes, I suppose the 12 yo thought this out in advance, typed up a word document and saved it on the computer just waiting for the chance to hop on, cut and paste it before her mother caught her. However, that doesn't coincide with the story Kate told, which was she was sleeping.

Regardless, as I stated before, I could care less. I just pointed out that I disagreed with Angst post, and this raving discussion ensued. I read what information was given, used the knowledge that I had, and formed an opinion. Just like you did.

Kevin, when you say a 12 year-old typed up a comment on Word and waited for an opportunity to post it screams desperation. If Kate is going to make up stories to get herself out of unbecoming situations she's found herself in she needs a better PR team. That is the lamest explaination yet. You can do better than that. You did a good job twisting and turning the knife on your site. You can spin Kate a better story if you try a little harder.

Nobody has proof that cps was called on Kate. We have only heard her sad story and watched her rage grow. It has been growing and growing like a weed for a long time. My opinion is she's scared of something. If you can blame someone for something very bad first on something true or false you can discredit them when they speak the truth about you. You can make it seem like they are only saying that thing to get back at you.

I am not the smartest of the whole bunch of readers but I know when I see someone who doesn't like the truth being told. Kate is a sad person. She should feel bad for being caught badly impersonating a child.

well i guess i know where we all stand now, and only time will tell whether any of us is right, wrong, misguided, or whatever...i will probably never know the truth, as i live far away from all the principals here, and am unlikely to ever meet them in person, and i will be the first to admit that it is much more difficult to read people when you can not look them in the eye...hell it's hard with some even when you can...i have certainly been wrong many times in the past in my judgement, and probably will be so in the future, but i have right more often than not, and will continue to make my own decisions and live with them...what upsets me about all this, like incidents is the fact that so many people seem to live for ruining any good thing they find...the net was much nicer place in it's early days, but i won't let a few fuckheads chase me away

"they also don't show up on your doorstep on a saturday, conduct an investigation, then give you the results of their investigation right then and there. It doesn't happen."

Sorry I'm late for the party, but Geoffrey made a good point. They have 30-60 days to decide if a case is unfounded. They're not going to make the decision right then and there on the first day. I know this as my landlord just called those gestapo bastards on me and my wife as a form of "Rent Control" last month.

They're taking their sweet time with us, even though everything is in order, and the report is obviously bullshit.

Much like the "Moxie losing her job" story... I have my doubts here. I happen to be very fond of Kate, but I'm with Geoffrey on this one.

However... CPS sucks, people that use them as a revenge tactic sucks, and petty ass bloggers suck.

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